Religious induced anxiety with depression

[ShakenFaith]

 

 

If the watchtower jehovas vitner are as they say 'not inspired' that is there teachings are not divine inspiried of God, is their claim of  being "led by God's Spirit" paranormal activity??? 

 

"When the time comes to clarify a spiritual matter in our day, holy spirit helps responsible representatives of the faithful and discreet slave at world headquarters to discern deep truths that were not previously understood. (Matt. 24:45; 1 Cor. 2:13) The Governing Body as a whole considers adjusted explanations. (Acts 15:6) What they learn, they publish for the benefit of all." Watchtower 2010 Jul 15 pp.22-23

 

Is this is a type of extrasensory perception per the definition??? :the ability to know things (such as what another person is thinking or what will happen in the future) that cannot be known by normal use of the senses ...

 

Can this "spirit led" activity, or experience  as described and for decades typified by the watchtower actually be Extrasensory perception ????  If not , what then???

[ShakenFaith]

 

 

[future life]

Try to call New York!

[ShakenFaith]

Try to call New York!

 

Phone call? Really? Do you think they would agree to a conference call with my drs and others present.

Remember my faith is shaken and all of these percieved doctrinal inconsistancies has affected me negatively for several years emotionally, physically, psychologically, so my "trust issues" have "trust issues" .   

 

Do you think a phone call would be a cost effective, productive, forum to finally have these questions answered?  And as explained in the presence of medical and others?

 

Is being "spirit led" the same as being  Divine inspired?

*** w50 8/15 p. 263 Name and Purpose of The Watchtower ***

However, The Watchtower does not claim to be inspired in its utterances, nor is it dogmatic. It invites careful and critical examination of its contents in the light of the Scriptures.

Since the governing body claims no divine inspiration, how then are they the medium through which God  communicates, how is this paranormal activity done without God's divine inspiration per the  DICTIONARY DEFINITION: Definition of INSPIRATION

1

a : a divine influence or action on a person believed to qualify him or her to receive and communicate sacred revelation

 

b : the action or power of moving the intellect or emotions

 

c : the act of influencing or suggesting opinions

But the Watchtower  governing body does say this:

"When the time comes to clarify a spiritual matter in our day, holy spirit helps responsible representatives of the faithful and discreet slave at world headquarters to discern deep truths that were not previously understood. (Matt. 24:45; 1 Cor. 2:13) The Governing Body as a whole considers adjusted explanations. (Acts 15:6) What they learn, they publish for the benefit of all." Watchtower 2010 Jul 15 pp.22-23

 

"The

Watchtower is not the instrument of any man

or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men.

No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower.

God feeds his own people

, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization."

Watchtower

1931 Nov 1 p.327

"It is vital that we appreciate this fact and

respond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of God

,

because it is His provision."

Watchtower

1957 Jun 15 p.370

"They do not claim that this slave class is infallible, but they do view it as the one channel that the Lord is using during the last days of this system of things." Proclaimers p.626

Since the governing body claims no divine inspiration, how then are they the medium through which God  communicates, how is this paranormal activity done without God's divine inspiration?

Im sorry I don't understand their  esoteric methods, the Watchtower governing body says that they are both uninspired, but a channel through which God communicates reveals, influences their ideas, opinions and teachings......that still need adjustments, due to  error!!!

DICTIONARY DEFINITION:

ADJUSTMENTS:

: the act or process of adjusting

a correction or modification to reflect actual conditions

 

 

My anxiety and depression are caused because I cannot base my faith on something I cannot fully understand, 

 

Specifically is the Watchtower governing body saying that infallible God leads them to wrong conclusions, errors that need adjustments???

[schizoid1337]

Phone call? Really? Do you think they would agree to a conference call with my drs and others present.

Remember my faith is shaken and all of these percieved doctrinal inconsistancies has affected me negatively for several years emotionally, physically, psychologically, so my "trust issues" have "trust issues" .   

 

Do you think a phone call would be a cost effective, productive, forum to finally have these questions answered?  And as explained in the presence of medical and others?

 

 

 

If a priest tell you the world is flat. You belive him. Then one day your watching the ocean and a boat "falls down" below the horizon. What do you do ?

 

If something doesnt make any sense, then guess what, maybe it doesnt make any sense?

 

If something doesnt make any sense, no priest is going to change that.

 

You need to go inside yourself, decide what do you belive in, and if that doesnt fit into religion X then maybe religion X isnt the right one for you...

[ShakenFaith]

If a priest tell you the world is flat. You belive him. Then one day your watching the ocean and a boat "falls down" below the horizon. What do you do ?

 

If something doesnt make any sense, then guess what, maybe it doesnt make any sense?

 

If something doesnt make any sense, no priest is going to change that.

 

You need to go inside yourself, decide what do you belive in, and if that doesnt fit into religion X then maybe religion X isnt the right one for you...

 

True, its just that if someone ever leaves because they cannot understand watchtow esoteric, method of  communication from God and/or  Jesus  described as  'spirit led'( teachings found in watchtower publications since the1800s) similar to extra sensory perception,  but not divine inspiration  that individual runs the risk of being slandered as an apostate, infidel,  against God and an anti-Christ and shunned in the religious community Which has a extremely negative impact psychologically emotionally.  Therefore I was hoping some Jehovas Vitner here would try to explain this please.   I have a letter from one of my dr.  explaining my situation.     

[ShakenFaith]

Try to call New York!

 

I wonder if the Faithful Slave/ Governing body of Watchtower Jehovas Vitner who  say they are second only to Jesus Christ himself as they are intermediaries between  all mankind and Christ Jesus and God, would really answer my inquiry.

 

How does this Extra sensory perception actually happen as described in the watchtower publication:

 

*** w58 1/15 pp. 45-46 pars. 19-20 Overseers in Apocalyptic Times ***

(...)

As in the days of the apostles, the Christian flock of Jehovah God has over it a visible governing body. It acts for and in expression of the “faithful and discreet slave” whom Jesus Christ has appointed since coming into his kingdom in the heavens in 1914.

 

When warning his apostles about his coming for the judgment of his followers at an unknown hour in the time of the end of this old world, Jesus said: “Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his master appointed over his domestics to give them their food at the proper time? Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to you, He will appoint him over all his belongings.” (Matt. 24:45-47) Since 1919 this “faithful and discreet slave,” who is a composite person made up of all anointed Christian joint heirs of Jesus Christ, has been taking care of “all his belongings” on earth. The slave has been faithfully giving out the spiritual, Biblical food at the proper time, so that there is no spiritual famine among the Christian witnesses of Jehovah.

 

To make this “faithful and discreet slave” class equal to their heavy responsibilities in these last days, God through Christ has poured out his spirit upon them in these last days, in complete fulfillment of Joel’s prophecy.

20 The governing body of the “faithful and discreet slave” class is taken from the members of this same anointed, spirit-filled class. By God’s spirit it is functioning.

 

So, then, when the appointment of overseers is made by this governing body in harmony with the requirements laid down for overseers, it is really by the spirit that such overseers are appointed, although through human intermediaries. (...)  end of qoute

 

 

My depression and anxiety has worsened as of last year these "spirt filled" men have changed their teaching that only the men in New York are the faithful slave not all anointed christians as taught for over 70 years per "spirit leadings"...why would God and Christ allow them to teach us a misunderstanding as a fact or truth?

[ShakenFaith]

This is my open letter to the Vakttårnet Jehovas Vitner

 

I am diagnosed with anxiety and mild depression because  I cannot understand the esoteric methods of the Watchtower Jehovahs Witnesses governing body who say they speak for God their interpretations are from God yet they deny divine inspiration?!! When a member ask this question they are percieved as challenging authority and some have been thrown out of the organization and shunned. My anxiety and depression are caused because I cannot base my faith on something I cannot fully understand, because the Watchtower governing body's ability to speak for God or as they teach are "led by God's spirit" to publish their interpretations of scripture without God's divine inspiration, yet much of what they have interpreted has needed adjustment due to error,..... Are they saying God's spirit has led them to wrong conclusions?!

Or is It simply human philosophy presented as God's spirit leadings,but then that describes 'divine inspiration' which the Watchtower governing body deny!!

I am currently in therapy with a psychologist, and consult periodically with a psychiatrist, who are fully aware the above situation, and condition for which they are treating me and with the help of meds can function with reduced capacity.

 

 

 

Is being "spirit led" the same as being  Divine inspired?

*** w50 8/15 p. 263 Name and Purpose of The Watchtower ***

However, The Watchtower does not claim to be inspired in its utterances, nor is it dogmatic. It invites careful and critical examination of its contents in the light of the Scriptures.

Since the governing body claims no divine inspiration, how then are they the medium through which God  communicates, how is this paranormal activity done without God's divine inspiration per the  DICTIONARY DEFINITION: Definition of INSPIRATION

1

a : a divine influence or action on a person believed to qualify him or her to receive and communicate sacred revelation

 

b : the action or power of moving the intellect or emotions

 

c : the act of influencing or suggesting opinions

But the Watchtower  governing body does say this:

"When the time comes to clarify a spiritual matter in our day, holy spirit helps responsible representatives of the faithful and discreet slave at world headquarters to discern deep truths that were not previously understood. (Matt. 24:45; 1 Cor. 2:13) The Governing Body as a whole considers adjusted explanations. (Acts 15:6) What they learn, they publish for the benefit of all." Watchtower 2010 Jul 15 pp.22-23

 

"The

Watchtower is not the instrument of any man

or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men.

No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower.

God feeds his own people

, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization."

Watchtower

1931 Nov 1 p.327

"It is vital that we appreciate this fact and

respond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of God

,

because it is His provision."

Watchtower

1957 Jun 15 p.370

"They do not claim that this slave class is infallible, but they do view it as the one channel that the Lord is using during the last days of this system of things." Proclaimers p.626

Since the governing body claims no divine inspiration, how then are they the medium through which God  communicates, how is this paranormal activity done without God's divine inspiration?

Im sorry I don't understand their  esoteric methods, the Watchtower governing body says that they are both uninspired, but a channel through which God communicates reveals, influences their ideas, opinions and teachings......that still need adjustments, due to  error!!!

DICTIONARY DEFINITION:

ADJUSTMENTS:

: the act or process of adjusting

a correction or modification to reflect actual conditions

 

 

My anxiety and depression are caused because I cannot base my faith on something I cannot fully understand, 

 

Specifically is the Watchtower governing body saying that infallible God's  leads them to wrong conclusions, errors that need adjustments???

 

If No  why does God's infalliable Holy  Spirit leadings, and 'operation upon the governing body's minds to dicern'  produce falliable understandings, interpretations, that are taught as 'deep truths'  that are adjusted due to error??

 

If Yes then Why would Jehovah allow his 'channel of communication' to teach error?

 

Can any Jehovas Vitner offer any help explanation according to what we preach to others door to door this is a life or death matter so  Please  give your biblical answer.

[ShakenFaith]

 

 

[ShakenFaith]

 

 

Still waiting Jehovas vitners for help explanation...surely someone knows the answer to this basic  Yes or No question.

[ShakenFaith]

Still waiting Jehovas vitners for help explanation...surely someone knows the answer to this basic  Yes or No question.

 

ADJUSTMENTS:

"It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision." Watchtower 1957 Jun 15 p.370"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327

: the act or process of adjusting

a correction or modification to reflect actual conditions

 

 

My anxiety and depression are caused because I cannot base my faith on something I cannot fully understand, 

 

Specifically is the Watchtower governing body saying that infallible God's  leads them to wrong conclusions, errors that need adjustments???

 

If No  why does God's infalliable Holy  Spirit leadings, and 'operation upon the governing body's minds to dicern'  produce falliable understandings, interpretations, that are taught as 'deep truths'  that are adjusted due to error??

 

If Yes then Why would Jehovah allow his 'channel of communication' to teach error?

 

Please Can any Jehovas Vitner offer any help explanation according to what we preach to others door to door this is a life or death matter so  Please  give your biblical answer.

 

I gladly accept norsk forklaring, thanks to google translate,

[ShakenFaith]

ADJUSTMENTS:

"It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision." Watchtower 1957 Jun 15 p.370"The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327

: the act or process of adjusting

a correction or modification to reflect actual conditions

 

 

My anxiety and depression are caused because I cannot base my faith on something I cannot fully understand, 

 

Specifically is the Watchtower governing body saying that infallible God's  leads them to wrong conclusions, errors that need adjustments???

 

If No  why does God's infalliable Holy  Spirit leadings, and 'operation upon the governing body's minds to dicern'  produce falliable understandings, interpretations, that are taught as 'deep truths'  that are adjusted due to error??

 

If Yes then Why would Jehovah allow his 'channel of communication' to teach error?

 

Please Can any Jehovas Vitner offer any help explanation according to what we preach to others door to door this is a life or death matter so  Please  give your biblical answer.

 

I gladly accept norsk forklaring, thanks to google translate,

 

I would accept anyones scriptural explanation....as I mentioned before the Watchtower Jehovahs Witness Governing Body  in Brooklyn New York has stated that accepting their interpretations of scriptures, or "treatment"  as they put it of them, determines if God will aprove or not approve and destroy all who do not. 

 

“Your attitude toward the wheatlike anointed “brothers” of Christ and the treatment you accord them will be the determining factor as to whether you go into “everlasting cutting-off” or receive “everlasting life” WT Aug 1 1981, p.26

 

THIS CAUSES SO MUCH ANXIETY AND STRESS!

[slabbedask]

I would accept anyones scriptural explanation....as I mentioned before the Watchtower Jehovahs Witness Governing Body  in Brooklyn New York has stated that accepting their interpretations of scriptures, or "treatment"  as they put it of them, determines if God will aprove or not approve and destroy all who do not. 

 

The Jehovah's Witnesses cult inflicts psychological harm, using lies, propaganda, misinformation and manipulation. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TVTfsN4IFk

 

Shun religion, and embrace reason.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FiHRVb_uE0

[ShakenFaith]

 

The Jehovah's Witnesses cult inflicts psychological harm, using lies, propaganda, misinformation and manipulation. 

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TVTfsN4IFk

 

Shun religion, and embrace reason.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9FiHRVb_uE0

 

 

I'm sorry( I won't be viewing these links) as this does not help me because I am looking for biblical explanation to my specific concerns...but I appreciate your trying to help.   I really feel by now a Jehovas vitner if not several has read my request for help and could reached out on this forum as I have safe from retaliation from the Watchtower Sociey Jehovhas Witness....Perhaps they researching for an honest answer....I hope.

[ShakenFaith]

I'm sorry( I won't be viewing these links) as this does not help me because I am looking for biblical explanation to my specific concerns...but I appreciate your trying to help.  

 

I really feel by now a Jehovas vitner if not several has read my request for help and could reached out on this forum as I have safe from retaliation from the Watchtower Sociey Jehovhas Witness....Perhaps they researching for an honest answer....I hope.

[ShakenFaith]

I'm sorry( I won't be viewing these links) as this does not help me because I am looking for biblical explanation to my specific concerns...but I appreciate your trying to help.  

 

I really feel by now a Jehovas vitner if not several has read my request for help and could reached out on this forum as I have safe from retaliation from the Watchtower Sociey Jehovhas Witness....Perhaps they researching for an honest answer....I hope.

 

Now specifically and sincerely:

 

 

 

[slabbedask]

I'm sorry( I won't be viewing these links) as this does not help me because I am looking for biblical explanation to my specific concerns...but I appreciate your trying to help.  

 

I really feel by now a Jehovas vitner if not several has read my request for help and could reached out on this forum as I have safe from retaliation from the Watchtower Sociey Jehovhas Witness....Perhaps they researching for an honest answer....I hope.

 

I doubt this is the right forum to use if you want a reply from a JW. 

[schizoid1337]

I think you have the relgious version of the battered wife syndrome. (BPS)

 

And no the solution to this is not to stay in the relationship, its to abandon the ship and move on with ur life the best you can

 

Alot of people dont get any chances here in life, your lucky enough to have some and its sad if you waste it going on like this

 

I dont agree that you should contact the abuser and ask, but yes if you are going to be doing that, as mentioned above, contacting JW directly would be the way to go.

 

Best of luck on your travel

 

 

[ecbole]

I'm sorry( I won't be viewing these links) as this does not help me because I am looking for biblical explanation to my specific concerns...but I appreciate your trying to help.  

 

I really feel by now a Jehovas vitner if not several has read my request for help and could reached out on this forum as I have safe from retaliation from the Watchtower Sociey Jehovhas Witness....Perhaps they researching for an honest answer....I hope.

 

After several postings it should be clear that we do not have better insight or expertise on biblical basis than allready given about JW's teaching. After long time nobody are posting any comments with something new to you.

I do not think the Watchtower Sociey (WS) is researching for an honest answer. If they botter to answer you, they allready have an answer in short terms: That you question is wrong. They are very intensively trained to handle such questions. People who got visits from JW at their home door, know this for sure. The WS teaching is based on incorrect assumptions and gross misinterpretations of the Bible. The Watchtower Society also have their own Bible translation that differs significantly from the Christian otherwise use. And then you should get a satisfying answer? I do not think you ever will break their mental boble of wrong teaching.

I think the correct answer to your questions will clearly show that that the Watchtower Society is based on incorrect assumptions and gross misinterpretations of the Bible. The correct answer to your questions do have a potential to shake the Watchtower Society far more than you have been shaken - if they have been answered honestly. Your questions shows that the WS is redundant and a great obstacle to get a true fellowship with Christ.

This is only an other way to tell that the WS should be disused and that you are challenge the power and their economic basis, their livelihood. You could probably not found someting that could challenge their wrong teaching more. Therefor they probably will consider you to be a nuisance and/or a very confused person.

 

I doubt this is the right forum to use if you want a reply from a JW. 

 

I agree. If you, ShakenFaith, are in very strong need for an answer you should send an email directly to the WatchTower Society. Then you should also understand the consequences of such action. If you have friends and family who are also members of the JW, they will take revenge on you, in that they force them to break all ties with you. Can you live with that?

Another option is to post your questions anonymously on a very large international website with many readers. Then you may not get a response, but the risk is less.

I think you are wasting your time, ShakenFaith. I recommend you follow allready given proposals in Private Message. Go further in your life, try to get out of the anxiety and the depression. Let the false prophets be left behind you, do not let they influence your life again.

[ShakenFaith]

 

I think you have the relgious version of the battered wife syndrome. (BPS)

 

And no the solution to this is not to stay in the relationship, its to abandon the ship and move on with ur life the best you can

 

Alot of people dont get any chances here in life, your lucky enough to have some and its sad if you waste it going on like this

 

I dont agree that you should contact the abuser and ask, but yes if you are going to be doing that, as mentioned above, contacting JW directly would be the way to go.

 

Best of luck on your travel

 

I know what you mean its just that I have based very nearly every single decision in my life on the Watchtower Jehovas Vitner governing body in new  york's promise that they are the real and only teachers of truth in the world btw, because God and Christ  only "channels" truth to them, that they get help directly from God and Christ to interpret scripture. 

 

Now that the watchtower jehovahs witnesses governing body  change their interpretations because of error , the same interpretations that they have told us that God and Christ helped them with,  it just seems it would take a less than lucid, and a ton of cognitive dissonace mental disposition, basicly lying to ones self to worship God and be close to Christ on these terms....yet this is how I have lived for a number of years.. and now I am psychologically, emotionally, and spiritually exhausted .so I think Jehovas vitner governing body must have some honest answer.