Religious induced anxiety with depression

[ShakenFaith]

After several postings it should be clear that we do not have better insight or expertise on biblical basis than allready given about JW's teaching. After long time nobody are posting any comments with something new to you.

I do not think the Watchtower Sociey (WS) is researching for an honest answer. If they botter to answer you, they allready have an answer in short terms: That you question is wrong. They are very intensively trained to handle such questions. People who got visits from JW at their home door, know this for sure. The WS teaching is based on incorrect assumptions and gross misinterpretations of the Bible. The Watchtower Society also have their own Bible translation that differs significantly from the Christian otherwise use. And then you should get a satisfying answer? I do not think you ever will break their mental boble of wrong teaching.

I think the correct answer to your questions will clearly show that that the Watchtower Society is based on incorrect assumptions and gross misinterpretations of the Bible. The correct answer to your questions do have a potential to shake the Watchtower Society far more than you have been shaken - if they have been answered honestly. Your questions shows that the WS is redundant and a great obstacle to get a true fellowship with Christ.

This is only an other way to tell that the WS should be disused and that you are challenge the power and their economic basis, their livelihood. You could probably not found someting that could challenge their wrong teaching more. Therefor they probably will consider you to be a nuisance and/or a very confused person.

 

 

I agree. If you, ShakenFaith, are in very strong need for an answer you should send an email directly to the WatchTower Society. Then you should also understand the consequences of such action. If you have friends and family who are also members of the JW, they will take revenge on you, in that they force them to break all ties with you. Can you live with that?

Another option is to post your questions anonymously on a very large international website with many readers. Then you may not get a response, but the risk is less.

I think you are wasting your time, ShakenFaith. I recommend you follow allready given proposals in Private Message. Go further in your life, try to get out of the anxiety and the depression. Let the false prophets be left behind you, do not let they influence your life again.

 

You have summed up very well again the secondary cause  as my Drs have also discussed as you stated here:

 

"Then you should also understand the consequences of such action. If you have friends and family who are also members of the JW, they will take revenge on you, in that they force them to break all ties with you. Can you live with that?"

 

Can you even imagine in this 21st century living under those circumstances....it is physically sickening, and psychologically damaging.....yet I feel that these several men in  New York who call themselves the "faithful and discreet slave"   "God's anointed"   who they have stated that the entire world's  "everlasting life or death" depend upon according to each one accepting or rejecting... owe me an honest answer.. 

 

I just wish the Dr. on this forum would at least diagnose the type of personality of  the leaders of the Watchtower Jehovas Vitner.....some say they are  'narcissistic' for starters... since they claim no 'divine inspiration' yet claim to have 'special powers of perceptipn'?????!!!

 

Thanks for this advise:

 

"Another option is to post your questions anonymously on a very large international website with many readers. Then you may not get a response, but the risk is less."

 

I will do this....although some honest or brave  Jehovas Vitner reading on this forum,( there are a number  having had and currently getting  mental health support.  So I may update this thread from time to time.

[ShakenFaith]

I know what you mean its just that I have based very nearly every single decision in my life on the Watchtower Jehovas Vitner governing body in new york's promise that they are the real and only teachers of truth in the world btw, because God and Christ  only "channels" truth to them, that they get help directly from God and Christ to interpret scripture. 

 

Now that the watchtower jehovah's witnesses governing body  change their interpretations because of error , the same interpretations that they have told us that God and Christ helped them with,  it just seems it would take a less than lucid, and a ton of cognitive dissonace mental disposition, basicly lying to ones self to worship God and be close to Christ on these terms....yet this is how I have lived for a number of years.. and now I am psychologically, emotionally, and spiritually exhausted .so I think Jehovas vitner governing body must have some honest answer.

 

Are they capable of an honest answer?

[AnonymBruker]

Are they capable of an honest answer?

 

You allready got an answer to this question. I think this issue is allready out debated, there are no new arguments to be added.

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[ShakenFaith]

Because of the  physically sickening, and psychologically damaging impact on my health that is medically documented directely centered around the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society's Jehovah's Vitner disposition, on my concerns .... I feel that these several men in  New York who call themselves the "faithful and discreet slave"   "God's anointed"   who they have stated that the entire world's  "everlasting life or death" depend upon according to each one accepting or rejecting... owe me an honest answer.. and I will post, inquire, everywhere and anywhere that I feel someone either a professional  or another who can reach out to try to offer some resolve.

[slabbedask]

Because of the  physically sickening, and psychologically damaging impact on my health that is medically documented directely centered around the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society's Jehovah's Vitner disposition, on my concerns .... I feel that these several men in  New York who call themselves the "faithful and discreet slave"   "God's anointed"   who they have stated that the entire world's  "everlasting life or death" depend upon according to each one accepting or rejecting... owe me an honest answer.. and I will post, inquire, everywhere and anywhere that I feel someone either a professional  or another who can reach out to try to offer some resolve.

 

That is never going to happen. Just forget it, and move on.

[ShakenFaith]

Easier said than done....and reconciling the reasons for words and deeds can be worth the effort for all concerned.

[ShakenFaith]

Are there any Jehovas Vitner here who could try to answer this question, and do you think I should write the watchtower society here in scandinavia or new york?? 

 

 Is being "spirit led" the same as being  Divine inspired?

*** w50 8/15 p. 263 Name and Purpose of The Watchtower ***

However, The Watchtower does not claim to be inspired in its utterances, nor is it dogmatic. It invites careful and critical examination of its contents in the light of the Scriptures.

Since the governing body claims no divine inspiration, how then are they the medium through which God  communicates, how is this paranormal activity done without God's divine inspiration per the  DICTIONARY DEFINITION:

Definition of INSPIRATION

1

a : a divine influence or action on a person believed to qualify him or her to receive and communicate sacred revelation

 

b : the action or power of moving the intellect or emotions

 

c : the act of influencing or suggesting opinions

But the Watchtower  governing body does say this:

"When the time comes to clarify a spiritual matter in our day, holy spirit helps responsible representatives of the faithful and discreet slave at world headquarters to discern deep truths that were not previously understood. (Matt. 24:45; 1 Cor. 2:13) The Governing Body as a whole considers adjusted explanations. (Acts 15:6) What they learn, they publish for the benefit of all." Watchtower 2010 Jul 15 pp.22-23

 

"The

Watchtower is not the instrument of any man

or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men.

No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower.

God feeds his own people

, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization."

Watchtower

1931 Nov 1 p.327

"It is vital that we appreciate this fact and

respond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of God

,

because it is His provision."

Watchtower

1957 Jun 15 p.370

"They do not claim that this slave class is infallible, but they do view it as the one channel that the Lord is using during the last days of this system of things." Proclaimers p.626

Since the governing body claims no divine inspiration, how then are they the medium through which God  communicates, how is this paranormal activity done without God's divine inspiration?

Im sorry I don't understand their  esoteric methods, the Watchtower governing body says that they are both uninspired, but a channel through which God communicates reveals, influences their ideas, opinions and teachings......that still need adjustments, due to  error!!!

DICTIONARY DEFINITION:

ADJUSTMENTS:

: the act or process of adjusting

a correction or modification to reflect actual conditions

 

 

My anxiety and depression are caused because I cannot base my faith on something I cannot fully understand, 

 

Specifically is the Watchtower governing body saying that infallible God leads them to wrong conclusions, errors that need adjustments???

[slabbedask]

 Is being "spirit led" the same as being  Divine inspired?

 

Specifically is the Watchtower governing body saying that infallible God leads them to wrong conclusions, errors that need adjustments???

 

I don't understand why you keep asking these questions. It is clear that no one on this forum is able to answer.

 

My anxiety and depression are caused because I cannot base my faith on something I cannot fully understand,   

 

 

Then you should renounce your faith.

[ShakenFaith]

Because of the  physically sickening, and psychologically damaging impact on my health that is medically documented directely centered around the Watchtower Bible and Tract Society's Jehovah's Vitner disposition, on my concerns .... I feel that these several men in  New York who call themselves the "faithful and discreet slave"   "God's anointed"   who they have stated that the entire world's  "everlasting life or death" depend upon according to each one accepting or rejecting... owe me an honest answer..  New people read and post on forums like these weekly someone may have the courage and honesty to answer my concerns or explain how they understand it, make sense of it.

[FGT]

Jeg skjønner ikke hvorfor du 

 

 

You allready got an answer to this question. I think this issue is allready out debated, there are no new arguments to be added.

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Jeg forstår ikke helt hvorfor du søker på et psykiatrisk forum for å få svar på dine bekymringer nåer det gjelder bibelske spørsmål ? Spør de selv neste gang du får besøk. Heller gå inn på www.jw.org  som er jv offisielle hjemmeside 

[slabbedask]

several men in  New York who call themselves the "faithful and discreet slave"   "God's anointed"   who they have stated that the entire world's  "everlasting life or death" depend upon according to each one accepting or rejecting... 

 

This is just religious nonsense.

 

owe me an honest answer..  

 

 

Then you should contact them directly. You will definitely not get an answer here.

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[FGT]

Jeg forstår ikke helt hvorfor du fortsatt prøver å få svar på dine bibelske bekymringer på dette forumet, når du tydeligvis ikke har fått noe godt svar her ? stemmer ikke det ? Prøv heller JW offisielle hjemmeside http://www.jw.org/no

[FGT]

Inspirasjon, eller inspirert er noe helt annet en å la seg lede av ånd. siden det er snakk om bibelen her, så er den inspirert, men ingen andre skrifter er det.

[FGT]

I don't understand why you keep asking these questions. It is clear that no one on this forum is able to answer.

 

 

Then you should renounce your faith.

Nei det er ikke det samme 

[FGT]

 

Inspirasjon, eller bli inspirert er noe helt annet en å la seg lede av ånd. siden det er snakk om bibelen her, så er den inspirert, men ingen andre skrifter er det, men det trenger heller ikke å være det. andre skrifter kan være hjelpemiddel til å forstå det inspirerte ord. på samme måte som forskere forstår  hvordan menneskekroppen fungerer, eller ting i naturen virker. en finner ikke opp nye ting der, men forstår hvordan det som allerede er der henger sammen. 

[ShakenFaith]

My depression and anxiety has worsened as of last year these "spirt filled" men have changed their teaching that only the men in New York are the faithful slave not all anointed christians as taught for over 70 years per "spirit leadings"...why would God and Christ allow them to teach us a misunderstanding as a fact or truth?

 

Why DOES THE WATCHTOWER GOVERNING BODY TEACH WRONG TEACHINGS WHEN THEY CLAIM THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT GOD IS USING TO TEACH THE WORLD WITH THE HELP OF CHRIST AND HIS HOLY SPIRIT!

Please Can any Jehovas Vitner offer any help explanation  Please  give your biblical answer.

 

I gladly accept norsk forklaring, thanks to google translate,

[FGT]

My depression and anxiety has worsened as of last year these "spirt filled" men have changed their teaching that only the men in New York are the faithful slave not all anointed christians as taught for over 70 years per "spirit leadings"...why would God and Christ allow them to teach us a misunderstanding as a fact or truth?

 

Why DOES THE WATCHTOWER GOVERNING BODY TEACH WRONG TEACHINGS WHEN THEY CLAIM THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT GOD IS USING TO TEACH THE WORLD WITH THE HELP OF CHRIST AND HIS HOLY SPIRIT!

Please Can any Jehovas Vitner offer any help explanation  Please  give your biblical answer.

 

I gladly accept norsk forklaring, thanks to google translate,

Jeg for min del forstår ikke helt hva du vil ha svar på. Forresten har du vært JV tidligere ?

[slabbedask]

why would God and Christ allow them to teach us a misunderstanding as a fact or truth?

 

 

Yes, why? Why would God/Christ let thousands of children die in the Tsunami in 2004? Why would a merciful god allow suffering, starvation and poverty? Look up "Occam's razor".

 

Why DOES THE WATCHTOWER GOVERNING BODY TEACH WRONG TEACHINGS WHEN THEY CLAIM THEY ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT GOD IS USING TO TEACH THE WORLD WITH THE HELP OF CHRIST AND HIS HOLY SPIRIT!

 

Because the Jehovah's Witnesses is a cult that blatantly lie their members. This is a religion that produces very damaged people inside and out with their doctrine and their custom bible translation.

 

You are not going to like the so-called "biblical" answer you may or may not get from them, and you are just wasting your time here as most likely there are no J Witnesses on this forum.

[FGT]

Jeg for min del forstår ikke helt hva du vil ha svar på. Forresten har du vært JV tidligere ?

Hvis du ikke vil svare her på forumet, så må du gjerne heller sende meg en privat melding

.

[ShakenFaith]

Inspirasjon, eller bli inspirert er noe helt annet en å la seg lede av ånd. siden det er snakk om bibelen her, så er den inspirert, men ingen andre skrifter er det, men det trenger heller ikke å være det. andre skrifter kan være hjelpemiddel til å forstå det inspirerte ord. på samme måte som forskere forstår  hvordan menneskekroppen fungerer, eller ting i naturen virker. en finner ikke opp nye ting der, men forstår hvordan det som allerede er der henger sammen. 

Well finally a Jehovah's Witness answers! Thank you for trying.  At least your answer is classic jw speak your comment is relative to science, philosophy, the arts as one can be inspired  (musings) that lead further expressions one way or another.  Still our goveringbody in new york makes statements such as these:

 

"When the time comes to clarify a spiritual matter in our day, holy spirit helps responsible representatives of the faithful and discreet slave at world headquarters to discern deep truths that were not previously understood. (Matt. 24:45; 1 Cor. 2:13) The Governing Body as a whole considers adjusted explanations. (Acts 15:6) What they learn, they publish for the benefit of all." Watchtower 2010 Jul 15 pp.22-23

 (This is describeing divine inspiration but they deny divine inspiration)

    "The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327

(This stateting out right that God is directly involved with the Watchtower teachings....how without divine inspiration...otherwise it is just human opinion, whimsy.)

    "It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision." Watchtower 1957 Jun 15 p.370

 

(There they clearly state they speak for God who is infalliable...also requires divine inspiration)

"They do not claim that this slave class is infallible, but they do view it as the one channel that the Lord is using during the last days of this system of things." Proclaimers p.626

(If they are 'channeling' God's thoughts then they must be both inspired but importantly absolutely correct)

Since the governing body claims no divine inspiration, how then are they the medium through which God  communicates, how is this paranormal activity done without God's divine inspiration?

Im sorry I don't understand their  esoteric methods, the Watchtower governing body says that they are both uninspired, but a channel through which God communicates reveals, influences their ideas, opinions and teachings......that still need adjustments, due to  error!!!

DICTIONARY DEFINITION:

ADJUSTMENTS:

: the act or process of adjusting

a correction or modification to reflect actual conditions

 

 

My anxiety and depression are caused because I cannot base my faith on something I cannot fully understand,

 

Specifically is the Watchtower governing body saying that infallible God leads them to wrong conclusions, errors that need adjustments???

 

Can you provide biblical help