Religious induced anxiety with depression

[AnonymBruker]

Well finally a Jehovah's Witness answers! 

 

Is FGT a JW?

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[schizoid1337]

Hvis han er det håper jeg han skriver på engelsk, google translate vil ikke være tilstrekkelig til å oppklare dette mysteriet

[FGT]

Du kunne trenger et grundig bibelstudie, så kan du etterhvert se hva som virker logisk og fornuftig hos deg. 

[FGT]

Hvis han er det håper jeg han skriver på engelsk, google translate vil ikke være tilstrekkelig til å oppklare dette mysteriet

Jeg er dårlig i engelsk, bruker selv google oversettelse.

[ShakenFaith]

Du kunne trenger et grundig bibelstudie, så kan du etterhvert se hva som virker logisk og fornuftig hos deg. 

 

Oh fellow jw don't cop out now please!  Surely your knowledge of the bible can serve to explain the claims of our governingbody to be able to have  special knowledge, that they teach through the watchtower and awake and all the jehovas vitner publications,  the men in new york  they say is God given, should be recognized as from God, and dogmatically obeyed as from God, but not God inspired, but not human opinion, is fallible, but comes channeled through them from God his Holy Spirit and Christ.  

 

How does this work?

 

"When the time comes to clarify a spiritual matter in our day, holy spirit helps responsible representatives of the faithful and discreet slave at world headquarters to discern deep truths that were not previously understood. (Matt. 24:45; 1 Cor. 2:13) The Governing Body as a whole considers adjusted explanations. (Acts 15:6) What they learn, they publish for the benefit of all." Watchtower 2010 Jul 15 pp.22-23

 (This is describeing divine inspiration but they deny divine inspiration)

    "The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327

(This stateting out right that God is directly involved with the Watchtower teachings....how without divine inspiration...otherwise it is just human opinion, whimsy.)

    "It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision." Watchtower 1957 Jun 15 p.370

 

(There they clearly state they speak for God who is infalliable...also requires divine inspiration)

"They do not claim that this slave class is infallible, but they do view it as the one channel that the Lord is using during the last days of this system of things." Proclaimers p.626

(If they are 'channeling' God's thoughts then they must be both inspired but importantly absolutely correct)

[ShakenFaith]

Jeg er dårlig i engelsk, bruker selv google oversettelse.

 

Norsk forklaring is fine by me I was able to discern you comment well enough with google translate! Thank you.

[FGT]

Norsk forklaring is fine by me I was able to discern you comment well enough with google translate! Thank you.

Du kan enten prøve å kontakte JV der du bor, det er det enkleste , hvis du da ikke skulle finne noe på www.jw.org den adressen som jeg har henvist her tidligere. Dette forumet egner seg ikke til den slags bibeldrøftelse.

Endret 4. februar 2014 av FGT

[slabbedask]

Jeg for min del forstår ikke helt hva du vil ha svar på. Forresten har du vært JV tidligere ?

Det er det da helt åpenbart at hun har.

[ShakenFaith]

Du kan enten prøve å kontakte JV der du bor, det er det enkleste , hvis du da ikke skulle finne noe på www.jw.org den adressen som jeg har henvist her tidligere. Dette forumet egner seg ikke til den slags bibeldrøftelse.

Oh but it is the right place,  you know as well as I that faith is as much part of  each of our individual psychology and has tremendous impact on emotion, even over all physiology, that is what  recruiting and converting or prosyletizing, or as we say preaching , studying systematically and "helping someone come into the truth"  is made possible,   

 

Knowledge, that is accurate, leads to clear understanding then one can make an informed conclusion and faith is a result.    

I want to have faith based solidly on a logical biblical honest understanding.

 

Please take it piece by piece, explain to me how you understand how our religious leaders in new york are "led" by  and "operated"  upon by God's spirit, if they are not divinely inspired???

[ShakenFaith]

Det er det da helt åpenbart at hun har.

Interesting observation...sir.

[ShakenFaith]

Oh but it is the right place,  you know as well as I that faith is as much part of  each of our individual psychology and has tremendous impact on emotion, even over all physiology, that is what  recruiting and converting or prosyletizing, or as we say preaching , studying systematically and "helping someone come into the truth"  is made possible,   

 

Knowledge, that is accurate, leads to clear understanding then one can make an informed conclusion and faith is a result.    

I want to have faith based solidly on a logical biblical honest understanding.

 

Please take it piece by piece, explain to me how you understand how our religious leaders in new york are "led" by  and "operated"  upon by God's spirit, if they are not divinely inspired???

Can you at least ask someone more capable of answering to respond....please?

[ShakenFaith]

Oh fellow jw don't cop out now please!  Surely your knowledge of the bible can serve to explain the claims of our governingbody to be able to have  special knowledge, that they teach through the watchtower and awake and all the jehovas vitner publications,  the men in new york  they say is God given, should be recognized as from God, and dogmatically obeyed as from God, but not God inspired, but not human opinion, is fallible, but comes channeled through them from God his Holy Spirit and Christ.  

 

How does this work?

 

"When the time comes to clarify a spiritual matter in our day, holy spirit helps responsible representatives of the faithful and discreet slave at world headquarters to discern deep truths that were not previously understood. (Matt. 24:45; 1 Cor. 2:13) The Governing Body as a whole considers adjusted explanations. (Acts 15:6) What they learn, they publish for the benefit of all." Watchtower 2010 Jul 15 pp.22-23

 (This is describeing divine inspiration but they deny divine inspiration)

    "The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327

(This stateting out right that God is directly involved with the Watchtower teachings....how without divine inspiration...otherwise it is just human opinion, whimsy.)

    "It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision." Watchtower 1957 Jun 15 p.370

 

(There they clearly state they speak for God who is infalliable...also requires divine inspiration)

"They do not claim that this slave class is infallible, but they do view it as the one channel that the Lord is using during the last days of this system of things." Proclaimers p.626

(If they are 'channeling' God's thoughts then they must be both inspired but importantly absolutely correct)

 

Jehovas vitner Hope you will consider explaining how you understand this as you know to speak about these concerns risk being slandered as apostates and further damaged if our religious leaders do not wish to answer..I am just looking for understanding to solidly base my faith.

[ShakenFaith]

Jehovas vitner Hope you will consider explaining how you understand this as you know to speak about these concerns risk being slandered as apostates and further damaged if our religious leaders do not wish to answer..I am just looking for understanding to solidly base my faith.

 

Being rejected by your life long religious community has an impact emotionally, psychologically, and certainly spiritually.  An individuals private relationship to God is irrelevant when leaders within the same religious community purport to control HIS relationship with others.    I just feel a secular individual outside of the  reach,and scope of control of the Watchtower governing body, could  contact them with my question and perhaps actually get a definitive answer.   Could Dr Nils Håvard Dahl please do this as research for others in similar psychological dilema? 

[ShakenFaith]

Oh fellow jw don't cop out now please!  Surely your knowledge of the bible can serve to explain the claims of our governingbody to be able to have  special knowledge, that they teach through the watchtower and awake and all the jehovas vitner publications,  the men in new york  they say is God given, should be recognized as from God, and dogmatically obeyed as from God, but not God inspired, but not human opinion, is fallible, but comes channeled through them from God his Holy Spirit and Christ.  

 

How does this work?

 

"When the time comes to clarify a spiritual matter in our day, holy spirit helps responsible representatives of the faithful and discreet slave at world headquarters to discern deep truths that were not previously understood. (Matt. 24:45; 1 Cor. 2:13) The Governing Body as a whole considers adjusted explanations. (Acts 15:6) What they learn, they publish for the benefit of all." Watchtower 2010 Jul 15 pp.22-23 (This is describeing divine inspiration but they deny divine inspiration)

    "The Watchtower is not the instrument of any man or set of men, nor is it published according to the whims of men. No man's opinion is expressed in The Watchtower. God feeds his own people, and surely God uses those who love and serve him according to his own will. Those who oppose The Watchtower are not capable of discerning the truth that God is giving to the children of his organization, and this is the very strongest proof that such opposers are not of God's organization." Watchtower 1931 Nov 1 p.327(This stateting out right that God is directly involved with the Watchtower teachings....how without divine inspiration...otherwise it is just human opinion, whimsy.)

    "It is vital that we appreciate this fact and respond to the directions of the "slave" as we would to the voice of God, because it is His provision." Watchtower 1957 Jun 15 p.370

 

(There they clearly state they speak for God who is infalliable...also requires divine inspiration)"They do not claim that this slave class is infallible, but they do view it as the one channel that the Lord is using during the last days of this system of things." Proclaimers p.626

(If they are 'channeling' God's thoughts then they must be both inspired but importantly absolutely correct)

FTG HOPE YOU WILL RECONSIDER PLEASE

[ShakenFaith]

If the watchtower jehovas vitner are as they say 'not inspired' that is there teachings are not divine inspiried of God, is their claim of  being "led by God's Spirit" paranormal activity??? 

 

"When the time comes to clarify a spiritual matter in our day, holy spirit helps responsible representatives of the faithful and discreet slave at world headquarters to discern deep truths that were not previously understood. (Matt. 24:45; 1 Cor. 2:13) The Governing Body as a whole considers adjusted explanations. (Acts 15:6) What they learn, they publish for the benefit of all." Watchtower 2010 Jul 15 pp.22-23

 

Is this is a type of extrasensory perception per the definition??? :the ability to know things (such as what another person is thinking or what will happen in the future) that cannot be known by normal use of the senses ...

 

Can this "spirit led" activity, or experience  as described and for decades typified by the watchtower actually be Extrasensory perception ????  If not , what then???

Then it is understood that no Jehovas Vitner is capable of answering the most important question regarding the credibility of the watchtower bible and trect society how are they Gods channel of communication without being divine inspired? What is the truth really on this matter ? The watchtower governing body in new york say that all other religions serve the devil ...why do they say this when they must change thier teachings because it is proven to be in error or false even while they clain God speaks through them??!

Surly a jehovahs witness can explain how this works!

[slabbedask]

Then it is understood that no Jehovas Vitner is capable of answering the most important question regarding the credibility of the watchtower bible and trect society how are they Gods channel of communication without being divine inspired? What is the truth really on this matter ? 

 

The truth is that that Jehovah's Witnesses are a brainwashed cult. Of course they are not God's channel, nor are they divine inspired.

Endret 9. mars 2014 av slabbedask

[ShakenFaith]

I THINK WHAT IS MOST DISTURBING IS TO KNOW THAT JEHovas vitner ignorer this honest question Even few i know they do not offer help but behaved that it is wrong to Even expect answers ...why is this so difficult everything we are taught as bible truth is based on the the watchtower leaders

Promise that God is leading them to all the right and proper answers that we preach to others. It is depressing and causes anxiety that they view my question as something wrong.

[ShakenFaith]

So fellow Jehovas Vitner you are now sure who i am someone who simple want to base my faith on a solid understanding who loves the bible and God and Jesus but strugeling with limitations could any of you care to answer in between gossiping and reffering each other to this thread i really need your help just explain it with your words and scriptures how and why does the governing body of the watchtower bible and tract society come to wrong conclusionns and interpretation of scriptures that must be adjusted and changed when they promise that God and Jesus lead them to all that is taught as the truth and what the bible really teaches....even while they deny divine inspiration ....what exactly is happeing.

[ShakenFaith]

So fellow Jehovas Vitner you are now sure who i am someone who simple want to base my faith on a solid understanding who loves the bible and God and Jesus but strugeling with limitations could any of you care to answer in between gossiping and reffering each other to this thread i really need your help just explain it with your words and scriptures how and why does the governing body of the watchtower bible and tract society come to wrong conclusionns and interpretation of scriptures that must be adjusted and changed when they promise that God and Jesus lead them to all that is taught as the truth and what the bible really teaches....even while they deny divine inspiration ....what exactly is happening.

I cannot understand why Jehovahs witnesses do not take this opportunity to Share the single thing distinguishing this religion from all others as watchtower governing body teaches that only they are Gods only channel of Communications to mankind while not divinely inspired how do they get Gods help? But why do they misunderstand God spirit leading? Any scripturål answer is appreciated.

[FGT]

I cannot understand why Jehovahs witnesses do not take this opportunity to Share the single thing distinguishing this religion from all others as watchtower governing body teaches that only they are Gods only channel of Communications to mankind while not divinely inspired how do they get Gods help? But why do they misunderstand God spirit leading? Any scripturål answer is appreciated.

som jeg for min del har sagt tidligere. KONTAKT JV LOKALT DER DU BOR Å BE OM DE KAN SVARE PÅ DINE SPØRSMÅL. De bruker mye tid å krefter nettopp  for å gi kunnskap fra bibelen gratis, og står alltid til dispensasjon for å hjelpe andre til med blant annet å svare på bibelske spørsmål . Dette forumet er ikke stedet.  Dette er det eneste og beste rådet jeg kan gi deg, hvis du er oppriktig interessert vel å merke.